Magnificent paper. Wow. Im glad people are doing these kinds of things here. - Posted by David Sher at February 18, 2009 at 4:48pm
want to add page numbers ? - Posted by Anonymous at October 5, 2009 at 8:41am
I think it's important not to always side l'kula in your halachic arguments. I don't mean that in a petty way--being machmir on certain issues gives credence to your kulas. So I would appreciate seeing more articles that set firm boundaries on this site. - Posted by Meir Bet at October 22, 2009 at 3:52pm
Meir Bet- (Responding in general, not having read the paper yet,) if you believe your conclusions are the right ones, what's the value in reaching different conclusions on some issues just so that you look more nuanced? - Posted by BZ at October 28, 2009 at 5:18pm
BZ: It's not about your conclusions, but how you present them. If you're not telling people that they have to come to minyan, then how important is it that women are count to make one? That comment can be interpreted in two ways. One way is of saying "If there isn't anyone at minyan who cares that it's thoroughly egalitarian?" That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that your conclusions l'kula only appear to have integrity if sometimes your conclusions are annoying and if you sacrifice a little bit for them. - Posted by Meir Bet at November 2, 2009 at 1:00pm
Ok, now that I've read it: Even though some of us would have liked to see a more machmir conclusion (that all communities must be egalitarian), there is no doubt in my mind that this paper's conclusion l'kula (that it may be legitimate for some communities to be non-egalitarian if that is appropriate in their cultural context) was arrived at with integrity. - Posted by BZ at February 8, 2010 at 12:54pm
But to address what you're actually saying: This paper says unequivocally that men and women are obligated in prayer. How do you interpret that as "l'kula"? - Posted by BZ at February 8, 2010 at 12:56pm
BZ: It's not about your conclusions, but how you present them. If you're not telling people that they have to come to minyan, then how important is it that women are count to make one? That comment can be interpreted in two ways. One way is of saying "If there isn't anyone at minyan who cares that it's thoroughly egalitarian?" That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that your conclusions l'kula only appear to have integrity if sometimes your conclusions are annoying and if you sacrifice a little bit for them. - Posted by fdg at April 16, 2010 at 7:16pm
Final Egalitarianism Paper
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Magnificent paper. Wow. Im glad people are doing these kinds of things here.
- Posted by David Sher at February 18, 2009 at 4:48pm
want to add page numbers ?
- Posted by Anonymous at October 5, 2009 at 8:41am
I think it's important not to always side l'kula in your halachic arguments. I don't mean that in a petty way--being machmir on certain issues gives credence to your kulas. So I would appreciate seeing more articles that set firm boundaries on this site.
- Posted by Meir Bet at October 22, 2009 at 3:52pm
Meir Bet-
(Responding in general, not having read the paper yet,) if you believe your conclusions are the right ones, what's the value in reaching different conclusions on some issues just so that you look more nuanced?
- Posted by BZ at October 28, 2009 at 5:18pm
BZ: It's not about your conclusions, but how you present them. If you're not telling people that they have to come to minyan, then how important is it that women are count to make one? That comment can be interpreted in two ways. One way is of saying "If there isn't anyone at minyan who cares that it's thoroughly egalitarian?" That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that your conclusions l'kula only appear to have integrity if sometimes your conclusions are annoying and if you sacrifice a little bit for them.
- Posted by Meir Bet at November 2, 2009 at 1:00pm
Ok, now that I've read it: Even though some of us would have liked to see a more machmir conclusion (that all communities must be egalitarian), there is no doubt in my mind that this paper's conclusion l'kula (that it may be legitimate for some communities to be non-egalitarian if that is appropriate in their cultural context) was arrived at with integrity.
- Posted by BZ at February 8, 2010 at 12:54pm
But to address what you're actually saying: This paper says unequivocally that men and women are obligated in prayer. How do you interpret that as "l'kula"?
- Posted by BZ at February 8, 2010 at 12:56pm
BZ: It's not about your conclusions, but how you present them. If you're not telling people that they have to come to minyan, then how important is it that women are count to make one? That comment can be interpreted in two ways. One way is of saying "If there isn't anyone at minyan who cares that it's thoroughly egalitarian?" That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that your conclusions l'kula only appear to have integrity if sometimes your conclusions are annoying and if you sacrifice a little bit for them.
- Posted by fdg at April 16, 2010 at 7:16pm
I agree with you
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